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Presistent routes - 28.May2008 3:36:12 PM   
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I've read that you need to add a presistent routes, to the local routing table, on the ISA server to networks which are not directly connected to the ISA server. So my first question is if that's right or have I missunderstod something?


Now for the next comming question.

Let's say that the configuration looks like this:
[ISA]--[172.168.1.0 /24]--(Router)--[172.168.2.0 /24]

The ISA server has the IP-adress of 172.168.1.1 and is directly connected to 172.168.1.0 /24.
172.168.1.0 /24 and 172.168.2.0 /24 is connected to each other with a router. Do I need to add ad presisten route on the ISA server in a scenario like this? Wouldn't the router between the networks handle the traffic between the networks and to the to the ISA server?

And now for the third question, when and how does a situation look lite when you need to add presistent routes to the routing table on the ISA server. It's hard to find concrete information and examples of when and in which situations it's needed.

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RE: Presistent routes - 28.May2008 4:33:03 PM   
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Hello HePa,

quote:

ORIGINAL: HePa

Let's say that the configuration looks like this:
[ISA]--[172.168.1.0 /24]--(Router)--[172.168.2.0 /24]

The ISA server has the IP-adress of 172.168.1.1 and is directly connected to 172.168.1.0 /24.
172.168.1.0 /24 and 172.168.2.0 /24 is connected to each other with a router. Do I need to add ad presisten route on the ISA server in a scenario like this? Wouldn't the router between the networks handle the traffic between the networks and to the to the ISA server?


If your ISA is your edge firewall, the 172.168.2.0/24 network will be able to reach ISA, but the return is not true. ISA canīt "see" the other network because is not set up in itīs LAT (local address table) and for sure is not ISAīs DG. Always keep in mind that ISA must have only one DG.

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And now for the third question, when and how does a situation look lite when you need to add presistent routes to the routing table on the ISA server. It's hard to find concrete information and examples of when and in which situations it's needed.


Here are some examples when to use it:
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/2004netinnet.html
http://www.isaserver.org/tutorials/Designing_An_ISA_Server_Solution_on_a_Complex_Network.html
http://blogs.isaserver.org/pouseele/2006/06/24/a-simple-routing-table-trick/

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 2:14:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: paulo.oliveira

Hello HePa,

quote:

ORIGINAL: HePa

Let's say that the configuration looks like this:
[ISA]--[172.168.1.0 /24]--(Router)--[172.168.2.0 /24]

The ISA server has the IP-adress of 172.168.1.1 and is directly connected to 172.168.1.0 /24.
172.168.1.0 /24 and 172.168.2.0 /24 is connected to each other with a router. Do I need to add ad presisten route on the ISA server in a scenario like this? Wouldn't the router between the networks handle the traffic between the networks and to the to the ISA server?


If your ISA is your edge firewall, the 172.168.2.0/24 network will be able to reach ISA, but the return is not true. ISA canīt "see" the other network because is not set up in itīs LAT (local address table) and for sure is not ISAīs DG. Always keep in mind that ISA must have only one DG.

quote:


And now for the third question, when and how does a situation look lite when you need to add presistent routes to the routing table on the ISA server. It's hard to find concrete information and examples of when and in which situations it's needed.


Here are some examples when to use it:
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/2004netinnet.html
http://www.isaserver.org/tutorials/Designing_An_ISA_Server_Solution_on_a_Complex_Network.html
http://blogs.isaserver.org/pouseele/2006/06/24/a-simple-routing-table-trick/

Regards.


Great information!
I'll look thtough the examples which you have posted for me, thx!

So if I understood you right, in a scenario which I described, I would need to add a presistens route to the gateway of the network 172.168.2.0 /24 into the local routing table on the ISA server? Of course the ISA server don't use the router which connects the sites, 172.168.1.0 /24 and 172.168.2.0 /24 , as default gateway=) My excellent description did lack of information but I hope you managed to understand it anyway.

You mentioned that ISA should only have one default gateway, and I'm clear with that....but if the ISA server is a edge firewall, facing the internet, then the external interface should have a gateway which routes the traffic to internet. Right? I wouldn't need to have a gateway on the internal interface in a scenario like this.

Thansk again, Paulo, for the information again, I'll look into the links you provided me with. Maby those answear some of my questions also.



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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 2:49:43 AM   
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Thumbs up for this link: http://www.isaserver.org/articles/2004netinnet.html
Very good description and I think I understand the descriptions I've read in the book I have!

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 3:50:07 AM   
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Hi,

Regarding the network Interfaces, yes Only ONE Nic can have a Default Gateway, and that;s the External NIC

Check this article for details : Configuring ISA Server Interface Settings.


Also, in a Network Behind a Network, dont forget to Include the 192.168.2.0/24 range inside the Internal Network Address Range along with the 192.168.1.0/24

Then you will need to create a subnet and access rules as the articles explains.

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 4:15:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elmajdal

Hi,

Regarding the network Interfaces, yes Only ONE Nic can have a Default Gateway, and that;s the External NIC

Check this article for details : Configuring ISA Server Interface Settings.


Also, in a Network Behind a Network, dont forget to Include the 192.168.2.0/24 range inside the Internal Network Address Range along with the 192.168.1.0/24

Then you will need to create a subnet and access rules as the articles explains.


I'm with you Tarek on that the network needs to be created inside the "Internal Network Adress Range", otherwise ISA will see the traffic as spoofed and drop the packets...but that's a important task within the hole network configuration within ISA

Thansk for all the great answears, I'll check the Configuring ISA Server Interface Settings. out!

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 6:21:39 AM   
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Great link (Configuring ISA Server Interface Settings.), thax!
There were some interesting information (ex. Adapters and Bridings) which I couldn't find the book I've read. This community just gets better and better. Seems like the most of the information that I've been looking for could be found here, which is great! I'll try to search for it by my self in the future before asking all these questions

Thx aganin for all the assistance!

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 8:07:48 AM   
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Yep this site is a treasure for ISA Server  knock knock on wood



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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 9:49:20 AM   
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Hey! Donīt be shamed to ask questions, thatīs why we here!! 

Thanks for your replies, itīs great to receive a feedback.

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RE: Presistent routes - 29.May2008 3:21:33 PM   
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Great, I'm glad to hear that! 
There will be further questions in the future which the books don't handle and answear, so I will get back with wounderings and questions.
Thanks again guys.


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