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TMG Evaluation? - 12.Jul.2008 1:54:02 AM

wise_guy2002n

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Hello all,

Currently i am using ISA2k6 SP1 on Win2k3 SP2, i want to evaluate TMG but i have only 32bit Win2k8 Ent's which is not possible currently to run and test in, is there any possibilities to evaluate TMG on 32bit Win2k8 Ent or download 64bit Win2k8 trail for evaluation purpose only.

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 12.Jul.2008 2:55:59 AM

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Hi,

You can download a trial version of Win2k8 64bit from here : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/trial-software.aspx

But do you have a 64bit hardware Server ?

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 14.Jul.2008 8:31:02 AM

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Hey guys,

If you have a 32bit processor, but that processor is VT enabled, then you can run 64bit VMs on that machine using VMware Virtual Server running a 32bit host operating system.

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Tom

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 14.Jul.2008 4:45:37 PM

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Tom,
I'm not actually sure that's true in general. I believe the processor must have 64 bit capability (for example a core-duo fails, but a core2-duo succeeds). At a minimum, this is the case for the machines I have.

I suppose you are correct about the host OS not needing to be 64 bit.

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 15.Jul.2008 8:04:57 AM

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Good point. The processor also needs to support 64bit processing, even if you're running a 32bit host. However, even with the 64bit support, that processor needs to be VT enabled (if Intel, not sure what AMD calls their VT technology).

Thanks!
Tom

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 15.Jul.2008 11:04:39 AM

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AMD-V is the name of AMD's "VT technology" aka Pacifica.

there is a free tool from VMware called Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility:
http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/drivers_tools.html

And just for the record, if you install Hyper-V(which needs virtualization extensions, so you have a 64-bit "VT enabled" processor), and for some reasons you install VMware Server or Workstation on the same box, your VMware VM's 64-bit capabilities will go MIA(more exactly your processor will not be detected as capable of running 64-bit VMs, if you use your favourite processor check tool, your processor will appear as not being "VT enabled").
I would almost make a little bet that you did not know this little fact, don't cha?

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 15.Jul.2008 11:44:36 PM

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Thanks to all of you for responsive reply, i have downloaded 64bit WIn2k8 from MS, but what about the Serial Key which they ask during the installation.? where i can get Win2k8 Ent 64 bit Serial Key. any supportive reply is really appreaciative here.

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 1:25:08 AM

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Hi,

Good point for an article

You do not need to enter a product key, on the product key page, click the Next Button and then click No .

HTH,
Tarek

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 2:51:01 AM

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Hi tarek,

i follow your way simple click on next and select No then i got the error below.

"Windows cannot open the required file D:\sources\install.wim. The file may be corrupt or missing. Make sure all
files required for installation are available, and restart the installation. Error code: 0x80070570"

thanks

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 3:59:14 AM

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seems like you have a corrupted media !
you might need to re download the Windows Server from the Internet again.

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 7:36:52 AM

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I had a problem too with a downloaded iso of win 2008 x64 trial.The installation always stopped at the edition selection screen, with no errors, just a frozen screen.
Re-downloaded the iso, and that issue was gone.

If you want to extend the 60 days evaluation period, you need to run a command. Note that you should not run the command for example when you have left 10 days before evaluation ends, because you will not get 10+60 days, you will just get another 60 days of evaluation. Just wait till the last moment if you want to benefit from the entire 240 days of evaluation period.
See:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948472

In this KB is also mentioned that you do not need to enter a key if you just evaluate Win 2008. See the How to install Windows Server 2008 without activating it part.

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 8:04:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: justmee

AMD-V is the name of AMD's "VT technology" aka Pacifica.

there is a free tool from VMware called Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility:
http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/drivers_tools.html

And just for the record, if you install Hyper-V(which needs virtualization extensions, so you have a 64-bit "VT enabled" processor), and for some reasons you install VMware Server or Workstation on the same box, your VMware VM's 64-bit capabilities will go MIA(more exactly your processor will not be detected as capable of running 64-bit VMs, if you use your favourite processor check tool, your processor will appear as not being "VT enabled").
I would almost make a little bet that you did not know this little fact, don't cha?

Ha! Didn't know that. I never tried installing VMware and Hyper-V on the same machine. But now that I know, I won't even ever try!

Tom

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 16.Jul.2008 10:12:20 AM

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Hi Tom,
I've ran into this when I've installed on my laptop Windows 2008 server as OS. I've decided to use hyper-v to see how it goes. I've built a simulation lab to test some settings before applying them in a real network.
The problem was that I needed badly to use some old 64-bit Vmware VMs because I did not have time to clean install them in hyper-v. And I was screwed 'cause I did not had access to a machine running a VMware product. There is no "import VMware VM" option in Hyper-V. Apparently this will be possible in a future release of System Center Virtual Machine manager(don't know what's the status at this moment).
So I've tried a desperate measure, to install VMware Server on my laptop too. It did not work, I've blue screened my VMware machines.
Anyway, that night had many hours

...

Searching with google a little bit, I found some explanation for Hyper-V + VMware on the same machine:

Ben Armstrong(MSFT):

quote:

I tried this and it does work(Hyper-V and VMware Workstation on the same computer) - but it is definitely not supported and may cause your computer to crash eventually.
Hyper-V needs hardware virtualization support, and VMware need it for 64-bit virtual machines. Only one solution can use hardware virtualizatin support at a time on the Intel/AMD architecture.

http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3603270&SiteID=1

Jim Mattson(Vmware)

quote:

VT introduces the concepts of "root mode" execution and "non-root mode" execution. The hypervisor executes in root mode, and the guests execute in non-root mode. In non-root mode, all VT instructions trap out to the hypervisor and have to be emulated. If Hyper-V does not report the VT capability in the virtual machine, it probably does not support the emulation of VT instructions. There is nothing that VMware Workstation can do to bypass Hyper-V and access the physical hardware directly.
Similarly, if you ran Hyper-V inside VMware Workstation, it would have to make do without VT instructions, because we don't emulate them either.

http://communities.vmware.com/message/889366

Cheers!
J

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 17.Jul.2008 7:55:07 AM

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Ha! Very cool.

So, you blue screen only when you actually RUN both app at the same time? Or will it blue screen if you just install them on the same machine?

Thanks!
Tom

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RE: TMG Evaluation? - 17.Jul.2008 12:27:33 PM

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I did not blue screen the physical machine with Win 2008 as OS.
I did run VMware Workstation and Server parallel with Hyper-V. Or maybe, actually was "on top of it", as these VMware app run on top of the host OS which already was running Hyper-V.
The 64-bit VMware machines were blue screened.
VMware Workstation politely informed me that these VMs need a 64-bit capable processor and mine does not qualify for the job, and the hapless me just clicked yes yes continue. And those VM gone blue screen for good. I've later tried to re-use them on a "normal host", just to see what happens. No success, KIA.
I could install and run with no problem Hyepr-V and Vmware Workstation on the same machine. x32 VMs ran too on VMware.
The x64 VM from VMware could not run.

Cheers!
J

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