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Real Time Monitoring... - 21.Dec.2001 9:59:00 AM   
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Hi Big bros,

Could someone please recommend what real time monitoring tools available for MS ISA ?
For Instance: each and every incoming packet i.e. http/smtp/ftp, is display in real time, whether is blocked or allowed by ISA firewall or so called Activities Logs.

I believe CheckPoint Firewall had such features.

I know there are lots of third parties monitoring products for ISA from ISASERVER.ORG site, but most are internet contents monitoring tools. Please advice.

Appreciated and thanks.

Best Rdgs,
Duvell

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 23.Dec.2001 12:40:00 AM   
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Hi Duvell,

maybe this helps you: http://www.isaserver.org/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000049.html

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Stefaan


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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 24.Dec.2001 6:37:00 AM   
Guest
hi spouseele,

Thanks for the info. U r the man.
I already tested out the bt-patrol monitoring tools n it's suck.
No much faq n techinical info abt. It's exactly what is inside the log files plus Real-Time. Is there any other Tools u could recommend!


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Originally posted by spouseele:
Hi Duvell,

maybe this helps you: http://www.isaserver.org/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000049.html

Regards,
Stefaan



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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 8.Jan.2002 2:42:00 AM   
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Hey Duvell,
I find it interesting you dont like bt-patrol...I must admit I find it absolutly essential.

You said:

"For Instance: each and every incoming packet i.e. http/smtp/ftp, is display in real time, whether is blocked or allowed by ISA firewall or so called Activities Logs."

Thats exactly, to the letter, what bt-patrol does.

Anyway, i guess maybe its not for all...if you need something more advanced then Network Monitor (comes with Win2K) is basic, but shows pretty much all you need.

If you find anything else, please let us know!

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 9.Jan.2002 8:31:00 AM   
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quote:
Originally posted by Jez:
Hey Duvell,
I find it interesting you dont like bt-patrol...I must admit I find it absolutly essential.

You said:

"For Instance: each and every incoming packet i.e. http/smtp/ftp, is display in real time, whether is blocked or allowed by ISA firewall or so called Activities Logs."

Thats exactly, to the letter, what bt-patrol does.

Anyway, i guess maybe its not for all...if you need something more advanced then Network Monitor (comes with Win2K) is basic, but shows pretty much all you need.

If you find anything else, please let us know!



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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 9.Jan.2002 8:39:00 AM   
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quote:
Originally posted by duvell:

hi Jez,

Noted n thanks... BTW, I always got this 2 types attack, any comments:

1. ISA Server alert: The SMTP command exceeded its allowed length (NOOP)

2. ISA Server alert: An intrusion was attempted by an external user.
(ISA Server detected an Internet Protocol (IP) half-scan attack from IP address 209.203.233.34.)


that's the reason being I wanted a Real-Time Monitoring tool

Rdgs,
Duvell



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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 10.Jan.2002 8:09:00 PM   
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For that type of thing I would suggest IIS RealSecure Server Sensor. Its an intrusion detection package which adds to ISA's own IDS. It will notify you of anything happening, and block the attack.

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 26.Jan.2002 8:55:00 PM   
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Hi Jeremy,

The last time I looked at the RealSecure product, I notice that it really doesn't plug into ISA *at all*. I haven't check it since then. Do you know if they have improved the interface? Most people would be happen with an interface akin to the intrusion detecions option selection that comes with ISA Server.

Thanks!

Tom

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 14.Feb.2002 4:52:00 AM   
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quote:
Originally posted by tshinder:
Hi Jeremy,

The last time I looked at the RealSecure product, I notice that it really doesn't plug into ISA *at all*. I haven't check it since then. Do you know if they have improved the interface? Most people would be happen with an interface akin to the intrusion detecions option selection that comes with ISA Server.

Thanks!

Tom



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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 14.Feb.2002 4:59:00 AM   
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Hey, let me preface that I work for ISS, who makes RealSecure. I think that it would suit what you are looking for though. We have updated the product and it works great in tandem with the ISA Server. It provides full host AND Network IDS (based on its placement at the gateway), has 25 ISA Server specific checks and allows you to create your own log based signatures for stuff you want to monitor for out of the logs. Good luck and please feel free to provide me any feedback!

quote:
Originally posted by tshinder:
Hi Jeremy,

The last time I looked at the RealSecure product, I notice that it really doesn't plug into ISA *at all*. I haven't check it since then. Do you know if they have improved the interface? Most people would be happen with an interface akin to the intrusion detecions option selection that comes with ISA Server.

Thanks!

Tom



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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 20.Feb.2002 5:27:00 AM   
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Hi Ray,

I've been interested in reviewing the product for a long time now, but it beats the hell out of me what I need to download and install to get it working. Since I like to test these things on a production box (pretty brave, eh?) I'd at least like to know which end eats before feeding it to my production box.

For example -- does it integrate into the ISA Management console?

Does it provide its own console?

Do I need to fart around with a lot of custom configuration to get it working, or do I have the option to run something half-way use out of the box?

What are the trial download files I need to install it on the ISA server?

I guess what I'm wondering is if its as elegantly integrated as the intrusion detection feature that's built into ISA Server?

Thanks!

Tom

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 20.Feb.2002 11:58:00 AM   
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Hum, I'm interested in this product as well.

I've been looking at various *nix based solutions as they are free (in most cases), snort looks good as long as I could create an affective replacement for my RRAS+ISA box.

Out of interest, have you look at SecureIIS (http://www.eeye.com/html/Products/SecureIIS/index.html) yet Tom?

As per RealSecure, there seems to be the RealSecure Network Sensor (http://www.iss.net/products_services/enterprise_protection/rsnetwork/sensor.php) and the RealSecure Server Sensor: (http://www.iss.net/products_services/enterprise_protection/rsserver/protector_server.php)

Both have their own MMC interface. If anyone else has experience with these products - I'd love some input.

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 20.Feb.2002 2:27:00 PM   
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Hi M,

That's what I thought. I wonder where the ISA Server integration comes in if the products don't integrate with the ISA Server console?

Haven't tried the eEye production, but I'll give it a look!

Thanks!

Tom

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 27.Feb.2002 9:47:00 PM   
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Tom,

Sorry for my delayed response, I need to check in more often. Sorry to hear that this is confusing, and I will try and clarify. You need to download our RealSecure Server Sensor product and install it on the same box as the ISA Server. You then need to grab the custom detection policy that we created for ISA Server and apply that. This process is covered in the RealSecure Server Sensor documentation. It does not integrate into the ISA Server management console, but rather critical ISA Server events are reported into ours via some custom log signatures we wrote. RealSecure Server Sensor has its own console which is used to display/manage the real time alerts. Our thinking was that our console is what needs to be up and running all the time to ensure that alerts are displayed. Nope, you don't have to fart around too much after you intall it and apply the custom policy that we created. We created the policy to do some of the work for folks. It is not as integrated as the embedded checks that we created for Microsoft and are in the ISA Server, as it is a seperate application, however it is a fully functioning and updated intrusion detection solution rather than a small subset. Please check out the FAQ linked to this page www.iss.net/isaserver as I think that it would answer a bunch of your questions. In addition, I would be happy to chat with you.

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 3.Mar.2002 10:20:00 PM   
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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 4.Apr.2002 1:26:00 AM   
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I know it's not the way to go, but I installed the Conseal Firewall 2.09d on my ISA server and was able to use it's real-time (log) monitor. I could even filter packets through it, so I guess I can have 2 firewalls on 1 machine after all [Cool]

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 23.Apr.2002 11:21:00 PM   
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It's all about Snort & PureSecure.

http://www.demarc.org

Best IDS tool on the planet. You still need to be a good admin though & review your logs.

I have snort & demarc running on all our segments.

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RE: Real Time Monitoring... - 27.Oct.2002 12:04:00 AM   
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Snort can be installed on the same box as ISA. Can install a nice GUI--IDScenter. Packets can be logged to syslog, database, etc..

The custom signatures that RealSecure incorporates are called "TRONS"--basically a way to integrate the FREE Snort signature files with the EXPENSIVE RealSecure Sensor. Check out www.snort.org and you will be up in running in minutes.

Last time I checked, Snort was kicking everyones but as an IDS

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