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ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 3:43:00 AM   
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I need to let my machine boot then it starts the ADSL connection. At the moment the
services fail because the ADSL connection has not activated.

How can I tell the ISA services to wait until after the ADSL has connected?

I'm using the Enternet ADSL software.
It does not show up as a normal dial-up connection.
thank you
mark

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 10:28:00 AM   
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Does it work if you manually restart the services? If so, you can go into the services applet and configure the ISA related services to automatically restart X time of times after a failure.

HTH,

Tom

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 3:25:00 PM   
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Hi, my original post was off the mark.
the problem is that evertime the ADSL connects there is a different IP assigned to the pppoe adapter. The firewall refuses to work.

Have you looked at ADSL in the book?
It is not a dial-up connection because it is persistent and relies upon the machine having two ethernet cards and a virtual ethernet card for the pppoe interface.

My IP addresses are 192.168.0.1 for the internal interface, 192.168.10.1 for the external interface and the virtual pppoe interface gets allocated a real IP address when the pppoe software connects to the server in the ISP pop. My IP is now 61.9.165.102

The pppoe software is enternet

I would appreciate some help here.


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RE: ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 4:33:00 PM   
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We have not worked with PPPoE ADSL connections yet. Can the virtual PPP connection be configured to use the Dial-up networking interface in Win2k? If so, you can use that as your primary dial-up connection and configure that as your dial-up connection in the Policy Elements in the ISA Server console.

Tom

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 5:00:00 PM   
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Check out this link:
http://www.carricksolutions.com/raspppoe.htm

It *looks like* it creates a regular DUN connection that will appear in your dial-up and networking connections window. If it does do this, you would then configure this connection to dial on demand, like any other dial-up connection.

Take a look at the page and some of the associated FAQs, and let us know how it works out for you.

HTH,

Tom

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 3.Feb.2001 5:13:00 PM   
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Don't use the PPPoE-drivers that came from your ISP. Many ISPs license PPPoE-drivers from third-parties, which tend to cause trouble when it comes to connection sharing (+less performant and take up more resources).

Try this one (free, <200k !)
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~normanb/

It uses DUN, and it's rock solid :-)

Emanuel.


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RE: ADSL dial-up - 4.Feb.2001 11:52:00 AM   
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Emanuel,

Cool! Thanks for the link. I know there are a lot of poor PPPoE users out there, and this will help them a lot!

Thanks!

Tom

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 4.Feb.2001 7:04:00 PM   
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In case anybody wants confirmation, I've been using RASPPoE with ISA since Rc2 and it works without a hitch. ISA will dial the connection at start up and it will happily recoginize and reconfigure itself when my ISP issues my external NIC a new IP address.
M.

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 4.Feb.2001 8:19:00 PM   
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Hey Mark,

Thanks for the "proof of concept" :-) That always help build the confidence when trying out something new.

I do have a question regarding the dynamic IP address allocation. When we've run ISA on a dial-up line that assigns IP addresses dynamically, we always have to reconfigure the Inbound Listener for the Web Proxy Service, because when you configure the Listener, it remembers the previous IP address. So we have to change the inbound Listener address to the new address and restart the web proxy service.

Wondering if you have to do the same thing as well.

Thanks!
Tom

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Originally posted by Mark xx:
In case anybody wants confirmation, I've been using RASPPoE with ISA since Rc2 and it works without a hitch. ISA will dial the connection at start up and it will happily recoginize and reconfigure itself when my ISP issues my external NIC a new IP address.
M.

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 4.Feb.2001 9:56:00 PM   
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I use RAS PPPOE and can not get the auto-dial to work. My web browser on the client machines say"ISA dial out failed, try to manually dial" I click on the dial-up connection manually and it all works fine. I set up the auto dial as primary route and all, still it fails.

Anyone got a suggestion?


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RE: ADSL dial-up - 4.Feb.2001 10:44:00 PM   
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Hi Guys,

I have setup the RASPPPOE and it appears to be working now. I have removed the Enternet software.

Things to note:
1. Don't set it up to be started by windows if NAT or ISA will be starting it.
2. it really is not suitable for production environments without an installation program. I had a legacy component from a previous version on my machine and it trashed the machine when I tried to install.
3. get more RAM
4. There appears to be some confusion with the MTU remarks. I have set MTU on the interfaces to 1542 and on the notification on the advanced options.

I will work with it for a day or two to see what happens.
cheers
Mark


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RE: ADSL dial-up - 13.Apr.2001 12:56:00 AM   
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If I uninstall Enternet 300 and use the RASPPOE, will I still be able to run my VPN? Microsofts RRAS VPN seems to want the external interface to the network to be a NIC not a Dial Up Connection.

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RE: ADSL dial-up - 15.Apr.2001 7:00:00 PM   
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Hi Markp,

VPN will work fine on a dial-up connection. We have installed several ISDN dial-up connections for people, and they work nicely for VPN.

HTH,
Tom

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