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Content Security/URL Filtering - 8.Jan.2007 8:46:43 AM   
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Hi everyone

I have had 2xISA 2k4 Ent servers in an array with plug-in WebMarshal for some time, and I am just sick to death with all the bugs/issues/etc!! It's shocking. I am looking for an alternative product to WebMarshal with the primary aim being blocking non work related content. I want something that ...
  • integrates with ISA as a plug-in
  • does not have issues for users such as credentials prompting
  • is designed to work with AD in mind
  • is reliable and (as much as possible) bug free

Any suggestions greatly appreciated

Whilst I'm here... does anyone else have WebMarshal as a plug-in and do you get many issues?

Thanks
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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 9.Jan.2007 6:13:09 AM   
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Get Surf Control : http://www.surfcontrol.com/Default.aspx?Id=384&mid=54

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 9.Jan.2007 6:55:43 AM   
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Yeah WebMarshal is a p.o.s.
We are also considering to upgrade to the proposed solution here.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 9.Jan.2007 8:04:52 AM   
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Also try GFI WEB Monitor

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 9.Jan.2007 9:57:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: z_haseeb

Also try GFI WEB Monitor


GFI WM3 is a waste of BANDWIDTH & Money !!!

you want to know why , check :

1- Why not GFI SafeSearch !!!
 
2- a more readable pages
 
3-  and finally : Web monitor and ISA 2006

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 10.Jan.2007 3:08:23 AM   
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emajdal can U kindly tell me what can be the more good solution for Blocking the nude, Adult and sex e.t.c sites/Domain...
I am using ISA2004EE with service pack2. I have already imported the scripts from isascript.org which blocked Porn Site Domains ( 4.62MB  469759 Domains) 20 separate sets, Porn Site URL's ( 1.6MB  214835 URL's) 5 separate sets and Sex Site URL's ( 1.39MB  162699 URL's)......

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 10.Jan.2007 3:19:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elmajdal

Get Surf Control : http://www.surfcontrol.com/Default.aspx?Id=384&mid=54


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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 11.Jan.2007 5:07:25 PM   
Sunny.C

 

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As Elmajdal said.
Get Surfcontrol you will be happy with the end result.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 3:34:20 AM   
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Hi,

Just a small note on the checking of adult sites - There are 2 ways to achieve this:
  1. Maintain  a local database, which needs to be updated often, since new porn websites are being created constantly.
  2. Check the web sites that your users are accessing, and cache this information.
In both cases, you will be using bandwidth. In the first case, you need to update the information for ALL known porn sites. In the second case you only need to check the sites that your users are trying to access.

Apart from that, it is quite easy to request new features on the GFI forums. Needless to say, not all of these can be implemented instantly.


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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 4:43:03 AM   
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quote:

Just a small note on the checking of adult sites - There are 2 ways to achieve this:
  1. Maintain  a local database, which needs to be updated often, since new porn websites are being created constantly.
  2. Check the web sites that your users are accessing, and cache this information.


In both cases, you will be using bandwidth


I believe u r refering to : Why not GFI SafeSearch !!!

well , we all Know that GFI WM3 has only one category , which is adult site ( and not working as expected , you can check GFI WM3 forums to make sure of what i am saying, check here   ) .

one question , cuz i dont like to repeat my self, i've been talking wih GFI Support guys for over a year and half with no results !!! my question and my answer are :

Q- Surf Control has multiple Built in categories !!! and they DO NOT Suck bandwidth as your one category does !!!

A- for this reason , i switched my clients to Surf Control and left GFI WM3 .

maybe one day we see some improvements in GFI WM !!! until that day , have a good day for all .




< Message edited by elmajdal -- 12.Jan.2007 4:46:29 AM >


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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 6:34:17 AM   
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Hi,

As per http://www.gfi.com/webmon/, GFI WebMonitor will block accuess Adult sites, scan downloads for anti-virus, monitor the web and ftp traffic passing through your ISA server and provides web site rating.

The web site rating is done on all the web traffic. The rating can be viewed from the URL history in GFI WebMonitor (as shown in "Screenshot 24 - Site check results" at http://support.gfi.com/manuals/en/webmon3/webmon3manual-1-30.html)

If a url database needs to be updated with new web sites and new categorisations, it will consume bandwidth. Otherwise the database will get outdated.

The bandwidth consumed by GFI WebMonitor when checking a URL is the same ammount of bandwidth that a user would use to run a search on Yahoo.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 8:11:22 AM   
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quote:

The bandwidth consumed by GFI WebMonitor when checking a URL is the same ammount of bandwidth that a user would use to run a search on Yahoo.


EXACTLY !!!

imagine each user surfing a website , or EVEN a subpage , the url will get checked by Yahoo Safe Search !!!

so each user is consuming x2 what he is actualling doing !!!

I believe i have said this in the Support forum of GFI and suggested the local database to be stored locally .BUT i was answered , please do not compare GFI with Surf Control, sure i wont , there is nothing to be compared.

Thanks.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 9:21:19 AM   
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Hey guys by the way, I have tested Suftcontrol, I have to say it is really good.
But my provider tells me it cost 20.000 Euros per year for one host and about 500 users.

Hu a bit expensive lol, this is just a plugin on the top of  ISA server, a good one ok but still.

What is the usual price ?
I went to their website but they are working with distributors only, so I have not found any pricing.

EDIT : Well ok found the price with some US based distributors, they do it for about 5000 USD, so my Irish local supplier was trying to S me UP.
Thanks.

< Message edited by Boedus -- 12.Jan.2007 9:25:14 AM >

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 10:04:13 AM   
Guest
Hi Boedus,
maybe you would like to check this for a price qoute:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/7/0D71DB2A-0BCA-42BA-98F2-96E5E1F2706E/Pyramid.pdf

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 12:00:26 PM   
Boedus

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: adrian_dimcev

Hi Boedus,
maybe you would like to check this for a price qoute:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/7/0D71DB2A-0BCA-42BA-98F2-96E5E1F2706E/Pyramid.pdf


Cool thanks

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 12:08:42 PM   
nicks

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: elmajdal
imagine each user surfing a website , or EVEN a subpage , the url will get checked by Yahoo Safe Search !!!

so each user is consuming x2 what he is actualling doing !!!


Hi,

1. The web site rating is cached by GFI WebMonitor. Multiple requests to the same URI will not checked more then once a day.

2. Requests to the different pages for the same site will only cause GFI WebMonitor to make one request for the web site.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 12.Jan.2007 12:27:43 PM   
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quote:

Hi,

1. The web site rating is cached by GFI WebMonitor. Multiple requests to the same URI will not checked more then once a day.

2. Requests to the different pages for the same site will only cause GFI WebMonitor to make one request for the web site.


its always the same answer

quote:

I confirm that WebMonitor will check all the sub-domains of a site. However this will only be done the first time that a webpage on the particular domian is accessed.

Currently we are evaluating various possible solutions which will improve site rating in both quality and performance. However it is still too early to provide more details currently. 


Taken from : Why not GFI SafeSearch !!!

and guess what  from the same person , Nicks.

I can assure you its not me alone !!! Safesearch has block legal corporte sites like
 
 
now back to the reply :

quote:

1. The web site rating is cached by GFI WebMonitor. Multiple requests to the same URI will not checked more then once a day.

2. Requests to the different pages for the same site will only cause GFI WebMonitor to make one request for the web site


This is what i am exaclty saying !!! GFI WM is already checking ONLINE if the site is considered to be adult or not !!!

Why the hell the next time, when the cache from gfi is reseted, GFI has to go AGAIN online to check if the site is considered to be adult or not !!!!

why not maintain a local database for these already sites that were considered to be as an adult sites !!!!!!!!!!!!!

We already know that GFI checks the site and each subpage in that site for a single time, but when the data is reseted, GFI AGAIN check the site and so on !!!

why !!! why EACH time it has to do that !!!!

OK the first time i considered this site as an adult , after few days , i will check for it again !!!!!!!!!!! come on !!!
 

but if i had a local database, let GFI search FIRST this local database, if the site was there, ok the site is block, if not , let GFI go online and check !!!

easy , isn't it ??? but i dont know why ppl dont like to admit it? ??



< Message edited by elmajdal -- 12.Jan.2007 12:30:43 PM >


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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 15.Jan.2007 4:10:54 AM   
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Hi,
 
It seems we have a mis-understanding on the meaning of sub-domains and what you are referring to as “sub-pages”.
 
My understanding of sub-domains is domains where the root domain is the same. For example www.gfi.com and forums.gfi.com are sub-domains of gfi.com.
 
On the other hand, “sub-pages” seems to refer to pages within the same domain (as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpages). For example http://www.gfi.com/pages/files.htm and http://www.gfi.com/pages/prodinfo.htm are subpages of www.gfi.com.
 
GFI WebMonitor will be checking sub-domains individually. On the other hand, only one request will be done for “sub-pages” of the same domain.
 
I would also like to explain further on “Multiple requests to the same URI will not checked more then once a day.” Actually, GFI WebMonitor maintains a list of URIs which have been checked, and the response which has been received from Yahoo. This lists can grow up to 3000 URIs. When this limit is reached, the URIs which are least used will be replaced by new URIs which are being checked.
 
This cache is not deleted when the machine is restarted, or when the monitor information is cleared.
 
We also do not feel that the way that GFI WebMonitor is performing the site categorization should cause a Bandwidth problem. Each request that is done will generate less then 5Kb traffic (most of the requests will generate even less then 2Kb). That would mean between 2Mb and 5Mb extra traffic for every 1000 sites checked.
 
Following your requests on the GFI forums, we will continue checking on the feasibility of making use of a local database for site categorization. Such a change would however be implemented in a new version.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 15.Jan.2007 5:01:52 AM   
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Guys this is not the place, both of you, to discuss marketing.

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RE: Content Security/URL Filtering - 15.Jan.2007 10:18:59 AM   
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quote:

We also do not feel that the way that GFI WebMonitor is performing the site categorization should cause a Bandwidth problem. Each request that is done will generate less then 5Kb traffic (most of the requests will generate even less then 2Kb). That would mean between 2Mb and 5Mb extra traffic for every 1000 sites checked.


Believe me, in the Middle east, there are 70 % of the companies operate on 256 & 512 KBPS ADSL !!!( this is because ADLS is so expensive ) so can u imagine this "less than 5KB traffic"  from each employee what would result into ????

the other 30 % of the comapnies i maintain their ISA servers have 1 to 2 MBPS ADSL , and still the SITE RATING feature multiplies each user bandwidth by 2 for any website visited.

If you have in your company a DSL speed of 40 MBPS , for sure you wont touch the effect !!!

quote:

Following your requests on the GFI forums, we will continue checking on the feasibility of making use of a local database for site categorization. Such a change would however be implemented in a new version.


although i heard and seen this many times, i still hope one day such funcationality will be added, in this way, you can simply add other categories and not only Adult.


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