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Websense installation - How - 17.Jun.2009 9:14:07 AM   
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Hi all

I want to install Websense Enterprise (for ISA Server Std content filtering purpose) but I have some dillemas.

First, could I install everything on ISA Server. Does he contain any database or I have to install one (for example SQL Server Express because its free.) I have about 100 users. Of course, I use AD (on Windows Server 2008).

Second, if I can't what then? How many servers I need (recommended) and what I need first to install?

Third, where I need to install Network Agent?

Before, I used Surf Control. It was fantastic software. All were installed on ISA Server and it contained database. It was very simple.

Please help on some way. I tried to use different manuals from Websense but it was really confusing for me.

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RE: Websense installation - How - 17.Jun.2009 2:53:18 PM   
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Let's see if I can answer some of your questions here... 

Can you install everything on the ISA firewall?  Yes.  Should you?  Probably not.  For performance reasons, the logging and reporting components should not be installed on the firewall itself.  However, depending on your hardware specifications, and since you have only 100 or so users, you may not have any issues there.  With regard to Network Agent being installed on the ISA firewall, this is something that is not officially supported by Websense.  It will work though, but isn't recommended.  If you choose to install Network Agent on the ISA firewall and you have to call Websense for support, they 'may' make you remove it.

With reagrd to Websense reporting, SQL Express is not supported at all (it does not include the SQL agent which Websense relies upon).  Supported databases for Websense are MSDE 2000 SP4, SQL 2000 SP4, or SQL 2005 SP2.

So, since you have a fairly small implementation, you can probably get away with installing all of the components on the ISA firewall, provided you have sufficient hardware to support it.  An ideal deployment would have two separate Websense servers; one for logging/reporting/management, another dedicated to the Network Agent.

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RE: Websense installation - How - 22.Jun.2009 3:50:12 AM   
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Thanks for your answer.

I tried many things (or scenarios) but without success. I tried install almost everything on ISA Server but I couldnt open Websense Manager start page. Also, I tried install some components on dedicated machine but then I had some other errors. Shortly, Websense is terrible software for instalation comparing with "the legend" Surf Control. This is really peace of bullshit. I purcahsed Websense Enterprise (version 7.01) 3-4 months ago but now when I want to install it I can't find it (for download) on Websense web site. There is only something like Web Security / Web Filter version 7.1. Whats happens?

I will try my last scenario before I have to leave this stupid software. I will try install all components on dedicated machine but I don't know which components must be installed on ISA Server. There are two filtering components (Filtering Service and Filtering Plug-in). Need I install both of them on ISA Server or only one? Which?

Anybody helps me?

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RE: Websense installation - How - 22.Jun.2009 7:10:04 AM   
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Definetely, this software doesnt work.

First thing, when I insalled all components (except Filtering Plug-in) on dedicated machine (Windows Server 2003) I couldn't access to Websense Manager (can't open https://x.x.x.x:9443/mng web site). I installed IIS 7 and SQL 2000 MSDE database. I really don't know what this bullshit needs to work properly.

Second, when I try install Filtering Plug-in on ISA Server Machine I have following error (step: establishing communication with filtering service)"Invalid Filtering Service specified"). I used 55806 port and I created Access Rule for this port from Local Machine to dedicated machine for all users.

Is there any normal software (for ordinary people)something like Surf Control?

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RE: Websense installation - How - 22.Jun.2009 11:31:42 PM   
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Well, my experience is definitely different that yours.  I've installed Websense v6.x and v7.x hundreds, if not thousands of times without issue.  Although it may be something different than you are used to, I'm pretty confident it's not total crap. 

You can download the latest version of Websense (currently v7.1) at http://my.websense.com/.  Log in using your product key and you can download the latest release or any previous release of the software you need.

If you'd like some assistance I'd be happy to help. 

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RE: Websense installation - How - 23.Jun.2009 3:47:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: richardhicks

Well, my experience is definitely different that yours.  I've installed Websense v6.x and v7.x hundreds, if not thousands of times without issue.  Although it may be something different than you are used to, I'm pretty confident it's not total crap. 

You can download the latest version of Websense (currently v7.1) at http://my.websense.com/.  Log in using your product key and you can download the latest release or any previous release of the software you need.

If you'd like some assistance I'd be happy to help. 


I imagine "thousands" is a slight exaggeration

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RE: Websense installation - How - 23.Jun.2009 12:09:03 PM   
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Honestly, it is not that much of an exaggeration!  I've been working with Websense for many years now (since the 5.5 days) and I can't even begin to count how many times I've installed their software in both production and virtual lab environments. 

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RE: Websense installation - How - 23.Jun.2009 12:18:38 PM   
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Well, I've installed Windows at least a trillion times

Back to the original question...I think you need some help from a WebSense partner to get the best out of the software. No offence, but sometimes you need the product experts to make the most of your investment...I am however surprised that you cannot get a single box solution up and running...

Cheers

JJ

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RE: Websense installation - How - 23.Jun.2009 9:49:46 PM   
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In some cases you can install all of the components on the ISA firewall and it will work.  You are right though, to get the most out of your Websense investment you probably need assistance.  I handle all of the Websense consulting for Celestix, as I am the only Websense Certified Engineer on Web Security (WCE-WS) on staff.  The good news is that my services can be obtained by anyone, not just Celestix customers. 

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